Talk 13

March 29, 2026

In some Zen and Sufi schools, there is a long-standing tradition for disciples after realizing their true nature to remain an extended period of time with their masters and only leave their company after having received their blessing. Yet, while themselves now being a teacher, they would never consider not being a disciple, continuing being open to receive their master’s guidance whenever required.

For instance, there is a story of a disciple who, after having completed his training and now teaching himself, went back to visit his Master. After having been received by his Master, the Master asked him a question, “As it has been raining and you left your shoes outside on the veranda; tell me, on which side of your umbrella did you place your shoes?"

Hesitating, not immediately being able to offer an answer, the disciple realised that he had not been totally present in the moment, in other words, he did not have free attention when placing his sandals next to the umbrella. The disciple acknowledged this to his Master and admitted that there was still inner work to do to free his attention.

 

In another instance, as described in one of the stories in Thomas Cleary’s book Zen Antics - 100 stories of enlightenment, an enlightened disciple had been given permission to teach prematurely:

“Ryozai first studied Zen with Kogetsu. Later he followed Hakuim, under whose tutelage he attained awakening.

When Ryozai came to Hakuim, the great teacher saw at once that he had an unusual capacity. Ryozai spent several years with Hakuim, eventually receiving his recognition as a Zen Master. Thus, Ryozai became the first of many teachers to be trained by the great Zen master Hakuim.

Later on, however, Hakuim would say to people, "I gave Ryozai the seal of approval too soon. Because of this, he cannot master things now. If I had waited another three years before giving him permission to teach, no one in the world would be able to criticize him."

Someone asked Hakuim why he had given Ryozai approval so soon. The great master said with deep regret, "At that time, I was only conscious of how difficult it is to find such an individual. I didn't realise it was too soon."